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Harris-Trump presidential debate takeaways: Dog eating, crowd sizes and abortion battles

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Analysis – As the United States rocks and rolls its way through one of the weirdest presidential election years ever, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump met for their first debate.

Here’s five quick takeaways on how it all went.

Tempting Trump’s temper

One of Harris’s goals was to get under Trump’s skin. There’s no doubt she managed to rile him a few times, particularly in an exchange where she hit him where it hurts – on crowd sizes. Talking about his rallies, Harris said, “what you’ll also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.” Trump immediately launched back saying that he has the biggest rallies, and within a sentence or two claimed nobody goes to Harris’s events and that people were also being bussed in and paid to go to those events that nobody goes to.

Trump did a lot of shouting and a few brusque asides to Harris – “Quiet please,” he interjected at one point, sure to pop up in a few hundred memes on TikTok. Given opportunities to soften his image, Trump repeatedly refused. Asked if he had any regrets about the US Capitol attack on 6 January 2021, he instead went on a long side digression about Democrat Nancy Pelosi. And somehow, despite it all, he continues to insist the 2020 election was stolen from him.

Harris blasts abortion restrictions, Swift weighs in

Perhaps Harris’s strongest, most emotional moment of the night was discussing abortion and women’s health care in post-Roe V. Wade America. “The government and Donald Trump should not be telling a woman what to do with her body,” Harris said, recollecting harrowing stories of women who went through miscarriages and rape victims.

Trump repeated falsehoods about “abortion being allowed up to and after birth” and was even fact-checked by the moderator at one point. There was confusion over whether Trump supports a national abortion ban or would veto one if proposed, but it was clear the issue feels personal for Harris. Harris widely leads with women voters according to recent polling. In the moments after the debate, pop megastar Taylor Swift also endorsed Harris, just to rub it in.

Trump pitches to pet owners who are worried about their pets being eaten

If you were having a drinking game for today’s debate and took a shot every time Trump mentioned “immigrants,” I hope you put your affairs in order first. As in June’s debate, Trump was clearly very focused on bringing up illegal immigration to the United States and reports of crime by immigrants, drawing it into pretty much every topic if he could. While immigration is a key issue – although numbers across the Mexican border have dropped from record highs earlier this year under the Biden presidency – Trump sees it as a valuable campaign bludgeon to use against the Democrats.

Yet the rhetoric took a rather surreal turn when Trump spread false social media rumours that immigrants are eating pets in Ohio after Harris criticised him for tanking an immigration bill. The moderator interjected that ABC News had seen no evidence of pets being abused by immigrants.

Anyone who had presidential candidates yelling about people eating pets on your 2024 bingo card, you’re a winner.

It’s all about the vibe

Compared to Biden’s unsteady and ultimately candidacy-ending performance in June, Harris came off as broadly confident, although she did still have an occasional tendency to meander and sometimes her attempts to link her own personal story to broader policy pictures felt awkward. Despite his fluid take on facts, Trump’s never-ending self-confidence never faltered. Again and again Harris spoke of conciliatory attempts to bring Americans together. The question is whether that message will hit home for voters.

Trump continued the same relentlessly dark campaigning vibe he has been pushing for years, although there is a question as to whether or not Americans are getting a bit tired of the doom and gloom. But for all those Americans who felt stymied by the Groundhog Day syndrome of a Biden-Trump rematch, it felt like there was a much different energy in the room today.

Want to know what they’d do? Better luck next time

Both candidates ducked and dodged on certain specifics as to what they would actually do. Harris mentioned the phrase “opportunity economy” several times but was vague on other issues, such as what she would do to end the Israel/Gaza conflict. Trump was very focused on litigating the past rather than talking about what he’d do in a second term, other than repeated claims he would end the wars in Ukraine and Israel almost instantly and do something about all those immigrants.

But will it make a difference?

Polls have shown the race consistently close, a fact that baffles many observers but also shows Trump’s incredibly strong appeal to a large section of America. It’s doubtful any Trump true believers or Harris fans jumped ship today, so the question really is, how does that thin slice of the population who are undecided feel?

The days ahead will tell, but 90 minutes of arguing, policies and posturing certainly gives them a lot to think about.

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Police say person who fired gun at officers still at large

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Police say a person who fired a gun at officers in Napier is still at large.

Eastern District Commander Superintendent Joel Lamb said Police tried to stop a vehicle in the Pirimai Area at about 10pm on Tuesday.

He said someone in the back seat pointed what was presumed to be a firearm at officers pursuing the vehicle.

“Staff have then heard two distinct gunshots as the firearm was discharged.

“Fortunately, neither of our officers were injured, and the patrol vehicle did not sustain any damage.”

He said hours later, the vehicle was seen travelling north on the Waikato Expressway towards Auckland.

Police seized the vehicle at an address in Manurewa, but they had not found the alleged offender.

Lamb said people who lived at the Manurewa address were engaging with Police.

He said Eastern District and Counties Manukau Police were making enquiries.

“Presenting a firearm at a Police officer is a serious escalation that puts our staff and the wider community at risk. This behaviour is entirely unacceptable.

“We are taking this incident extremely seriously and will be pursuing all lines of enquiry to locate the offender and hold them accountable.”

Police asked anyone who witnessed the incident to contact Police on 105 or online using the reference number 261111/3764.

Information could also be provided anonymously via Crime Stoppers on 0800 555 111.

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New Zealand sides named for RLWC finals

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The players tasked with ending Australia’s Rugby League World Cup dominance have been named.

The Kiwis and Kiwi Ferns have announced their squads for this Sunday’s World Cup finals in Brisbane.

Both sides are chasing their first titles since 2008, and both are looking to end their opponents run of three crowns in a row.

“Our Kiwi Ferns have been so dominant in years gone by, and we want to bring dominance back to this jersey, so I think it will be a case of who wants it more,” said co-captain Georgia Hale of the impending clash.

The Kiwis get a major boost for the final as they welcome back Ronaldo Mulitalo after he served a one-match ban for a high tackle against Fiji Bati.

Mulitalo replaces Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, who moves to the six-man bench, which again includes utility Te Maire Martin, middle forwards Naufahu Whyte, Erin Clark and Xavier Willison plus fullback Keano Kini.

Loose forward Joseph Tapine will make his 30th Test appearance in a familiar pack again, including second-rowers Isaiah Papali’i and Briton Nikora, and props James Fisher-Harris and Moses Leota.

Winger Jamayne Isaako is on the cusp of claiming the New Zealand record for most Test points.

His five goals against Tonga lifted his career points tally to 225 – level with Shaun Johnson – while centre Casey McLean goes into the final with 16 tries in just eight Tests.

Fisher-Harris will again captain the team.

Fullback Ponga said the goal of the group was clear.

“We have high expectations around what we want to achieve, and obviously winning a world Cup is one of them.”

Meanwhile, Ricky Henry has selected a settled side to take on the Jillaroos, led by their lethal centre combination of Stacey Waaka and Mele Hufanga.

Veteran Apii Nicholls takes the number one jersey, Leianne Tufuga and Mackenzie Wiki on the wings.

Henry has stuck with his halves pairing of Chantay Kiria-Ratu and Raecene McGregor with Alexis Tauaneai, Georgia Hale and Otesa Pule up front.

Rounding out the starting pack is Shaniece Monschau, Kaiyah Atai, and Angelina Teakaraanga-Katoa.

“We have been building well throughout the tournament; we understand the Jillaroos side, and will give it our all to make New Zealand proud this weekend,” said Henry.

RLWC Finals:

Kiwi Ferns vs Jillaroos- 6.10pm

Kiwis vs Kangaroos – 9.35pm

Sunday November 15

Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane

Live blog updates on RNZ

Kiwi Ferns:

1. Apii Nicholls 2. Leianne Tufuga 3. Mele Hufanga 4. Stacey Waaka 5. Mackenzie Wiki 6. Chantay Kiria-Ratu 7. Raecene McGregor 8. Alexis Tauaneai 9. Georgia Hale 10. Otesa Pule 11. Shaniece Monschau 12. Kaiyah Atai 13. Angelina Teakaraanga-Katoa.

Interchange: 14. Ashleigh Quinlan 15. Annessa Biddle 16. Shannon Mato 17. Ivana Lauitiiti.

Reserves: 18. Brooke Anderson 19. Zahara Temara 20. Brianna Clark 21. Abigail Roache 22. Tenika Willison.

Kiwis:

1. Kalyn Ponga, 2. Jamayne Isaako, 3. Dane Gagai, 4. Casey McLean, 5. Ronaldo Mulitalo, 6. Kodi Nikorima, 7. Jahrome Hughes, 8. James Fisher-Harris (c), 9. Jeremy Marshall-King, 10. Moses Leota, 11. Isaiah Papali’i, 12. Briton Nikora, 13. Joseph Tapine (v/c).

Interchange: 14. Te Maire Martin, 15. Naufahu Whyte, 16. Erin Clark, 17. Xavier Willison.

Reserves: 18. Keano Kini, 19. Phoenix Crossland, 20. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, 21. Scott Sorensen, 22. Leo Thompson.

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Parliamentary Service working on extra chairs and offices for increased number of MPs

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The chief executive of the Parliamentary Service is confident there will be enough room to accommodate the increased number of MPs and their staff coming into Parliament.

On current numbers, up to 131 MPs could be sitting in the Chamber following the election, brought on by a record overhang result.

Clerk of the House of Representatives Dr David Wilson told the Spinoff that currently the debating chamber had enough chairs to seat 124 MPs – including the Speaker of the House – and work was being done to accommodate more by altering the seating arrangement.

In a statement, Parliamentary Service chief executive Rafael Gonzalez-Montero said planning for a larger Parliament had been going for “some time”.

“Now that the election results have confirmed an increase to the number of members we are looking at several options.

“We are confident we will be able to accommodate all members within the Chamber.”

Chief Executive of the Parliamentary Service Rafael Gonzalez-Montero appears before select committee.
Parliamentary Service chief executive Rafael Gonzalez-Montero.

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Gonzalez-Montero said office accommodation for members and their staff would be “stretched” for a short time, but the new Members’ Building was only a few months away from “practical completion”.

That building – located behind Parliament – was due to be ready to occupy in April next year and had capacity to accommodate around 30 backbench MPs.

“All members should be in fit-for-purpose accommodation from that point,” Gonzalez-Montero said.

Following the 2023 election, 123 MPs sat in the Chamber – a record number at the time. That decreased to 122 following the resignation of National MP Judith Collins.

Collins held the seat of Papakura and stepped down in May and Parliament voted against holding a by-election because it was too close to the election.

The election result also meant high-ranking National Party MPs like Chris Bishop, Paul Goldsmith, Nicola Willis and Gerry Brownlee – Speaker of the House and an MP for 30 years – would likely not make it back into Parliament.

Only resigning or retiring MPs were permitted to give a valedictory speech meaning none of them would get the chance to give a valedictory statement.

Asked if their would be special allowances for valedictories, Wilson said in a statement that normally only MPs were allowed to speak in the House but the House could suspend its own rules or temporarily alter them.

“It could do so to allow former members to address the House.”

Wilson said no such arrangements could be made until the next Parliament opened and members sworn in.

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